In this so-called "society", many people believe that the primary purpose of the individual is to conform to some standard "normal" way of being. Because of that, many people believe that not conforming to the standard "normal" way of being constitutes failure. For example, consider my recent web comic success. I mentioned this success on a comics-themed message board a few weeks ago. Most of the responses I got there were statements that claimed I'm still a failure or will fail or haven't provided any evidence of success. This may be my opionion, but I suspect that these people are saying I'm a failure as a web comic artist because the theme of my web comic does not conform to the standard "normal" way of being. And what theme is that? The theme is LONG TOENAILS ON WOMEN! (Yeah! Really, man!)

Yes, the notion of long-toenailed women is not popular in most comic strip areas. But it is very popular in the area of long nail fetish web sites. Thus, my new web comic is featured on a LONG NAIL FETISH WEB SITE. THAT'S why I say my web comic is a success! Especailly since it probably gets more views than all my other web site endeavors combined.

I'm of the mind that creativity is mainly about changing the world. It has little if anything to do with the standard "normal" way of being. Any and all changes to the world go against the standard "normal" way of being. Consider this outragous statement that may have been made some 50 years ago:

"Rosa Parks, your protesting of the segragation laws contradicts the standard 'normal' way of being. Therefore, you're a was a failure."

Needeless to say, the same people who say I'm a failure because I won't do my comics in the standard "normal" way of being won't say that Rosa Parks was a failure for also going against the standard "normal" way of being.

"But that was years ago. Segreation is no longer part of the standard 'normal' way of being."

That proves my point exactly. The world won't stay the way it is forever. It's possible (no guarantee, of course) that long nail fetish comics may become more popular in the future.

"But now you're saying that the standard 'normal' way of being will be a good thing if your ideas become popular."

No. I'm just saying that change is one of the few constants of life. And the standard "normal" way of being is only wrong in my view if it's being forced on people when they have a right not to take part in it. I mean, there is no law that says that all web comics should conform to the standard "normal" way of being. People have the right to do comics -- web or otherwise -- any way they want, be it the standard "normal" way of being or otherwise. Success, basically, is whatever you want it to be. And in my case, success is expressing new ideas to a sizable audience. With my latest web comic, that's exactly what I got. I'm a successful web comic artist whether you don't like it or do. Yeah, baby!
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Yul
offline Yul
Michigan
  • Wait... let me understand, you're upset that people don't consider your webcomic to be a success because it's a fetish of long toe nailed women and the majority of its hits are being linked from a fetish site. You're also upset people don't consider your comic "normal" because of what it's about.

    First off, if you go to a message board and mention in anyway shape of form that "I'm a success" you're going to piss people off. Now some people will get pissed out of jealousy, because their comic isn't getting as many hits as yours, others will get pissed simply because you're walking into a message board and gloating (mind you which is why i'm offended). Outside of that, the reason why you're saying you're a success is also pretty bad. You claim art is about expressing ideas to a mass audience and now that you have a large audience because of the type of hits you're recieving you believe you are in fact a success. That's basically the equivalent of saying if you walk around in a chicken suit in time square wearing a sign that says "I hate Bush" and get on the news about it you're also a success because you expressed your ideas and it was accepted by a mass audience.

    First off: Who do you think you are?

    Secondly: What's the deal with this "primary purpose of the individual is to conform to some standard "normal" way of being." Stop, your attempt at rhetoric is coming off as pretentious and not backing up your point at all. I get it, your comic is different, you think people don't respect it because it's different and that bothers you enough to make a big rant about it on this message board.
    It all boils down to this, if your comic truly was in fact "different" and a "success" you wouldn't have to make a big rant defending it. It's obvious you don't think it is or you wouldn't have cared at all what other people had to say.

    In some points I agree with you: Yes comics can be about anything, yes you don't have to be like everyone else to be a "success" but after that I don't see what your point is at all. You're just bumbling around trying to make some arguement when at the core you're just upset that people don't see your comic as a respected art form and the only reason you're upset is because part of you believes them since if you didn't you wouldn't give a shit. You obviously really care alot about being a "success" and everyone to stop and think so and you like to blame what everyone thinks of you on being "different" and not the obvious that you're walking into a message board saying you're hot shit because some fetish site links you and you get more hits than most people.

    So incase it hasn't been said enough times for you to get it, here's a clue. You're not special because you get more hits than people and no people don't think you're a failure because you aren't conforming to "the norm" so stop using that as a scapegoat. Step back and realize you're being rude to people to make yourself feel better and when they say something that rubs you the wrong way it's not because you're "different" it's because you're being a jerk.

    Grow the fuck up (said this the twenty year old to the forty year old)

    Or make a big rant about how I've wronged you and have no idea what i'm talking about and expect you to fall into the "norm" which is not bragging to people and not being rude to people who don't deserve it in anyway shape or form.

    Alex
    • LOL, Alex...

      ...I knew there was a profound reason I liked you, man.

      I'm a good example of someone who had to learn NOT to piss people off. I never intended to hurt anyone's feelings, and I was never gloating (though I can see from my own posts, it sure looked that way). The fact is, most people on these posts and other broards simply ignore me.

      Why? Hell if I know. I have wanted to help anyone and everyone to GET the same "results" (not SUCCESS---cause simply stated, that a relative term) I was getting. I was tired of people saying I couldn't do something, and wanted to help people in the same situation. Crap, even Alex has been to my site, seen my boards and knows that I try to help people all the time, he can vouche for that.

      This whole matter is very, very simple:

      1. People either like the comic, or they don't.
      2. Who the hell cares about those who don't, cater to those who do and leave the rest alone.
      3. Opinions are JUST that...opinions. Whether a bum or the President of MARVEL likes my comic or not, it still remains ONE PERSONS OPINION.
      4. Success is relative.
      5. HITS are relative. I get a HELL OF A LOT O HITS (545,000 IN A MONTH YUL). So WHAT--HITS MEAN NOTHING! I SELL my comics,...and only a minimal FRACTION of that traffic buys anything. Does that mean I'm a failure? Does that mean I'm better than you, or Alex? NO. It simply means a lot of people come to see what I have and most leave. So what...I cater to those who stay.

      Just do your thing and let the rest slide, man. There is no such thing as a "norm" in comics. If you're trying to get people to see and'ro agree with your point of view...then I suggest you not piss where the rest of us are sitting, bub.

      Jaime Buckley
      www.wantedhero.com
      • Instead of responding with more negative messages, I've decided that I should just quit this tribe. If I offended people with my posts in this area, I apologize. But in this world without consensus, that can happen.
        • Bub, you just don't get it, do you?

          So, you make a negative post, and expect rainbows and cherry gumdrops?

          Have you ever heard of humility, Yul? Because someone does not see things your way, you decide not to learn...and walk away. That's fine. A shame, but fine. Alex was tough, to be sure, but I can see where he was coming from, and you should take the board out of your behind and re-read your own post. Even in THIS response, you don't address anything other than, if you were offended, hey--it can happen...but you sure don't look in the mirror, dude.

          On the other hand, Alex did offer solid advice (through his teeth perhaps, but perfectly valid), as did I... So, what happened? You just wanting to have a pissing contest? ...cause you're the only one with your pants down.

          I guess I can say I have no real clue as to what your actual point was, then--because it sure wasn't about comics or long toenails on women. You have deeper issues to deal with, and I doubt they can be solved online.

          I think you made the right decision by quitting.

          Jaime Buckley
          www.wantedhero.com
          • You know what, Yul? I'll do one better than that.

            If you're still on, I would personally like that link to the thread where they so-called bashed you on your "success".

            Let's take a look and what you perceived as a negative.

            Jaime Buckley
            www.wantedhero.com
            • I'll admit, I was harsh, I don't apologize for what I said but for HOW I said it. Granted I'm not saying I should have responded in a nice and suggestive way, but some parts of it were harsh and although in some ways that was probably what needed to be said, I shouldn't have let me own emotions come out.

              I think at the core of it Jaime brought up exactly what it is that gets me so fired up on indy comic and self publishing message boards "I suggest you not piss where the rest of us are sitting, bub. "

              The indy comic scene in theory should be a marvelous place. A place where creators can be free to create comics in anyway they see fit. A collection of creators creating art for the sake of art, however in reality it's not. The scene is filled with people seeking attention and above all else money. The new and experienced creator is lost in the swarm of money hungry artist (which in my opinion is an oxymoron) who will produce anything cheap (super big breasted cyborg ninja babes!) for the smallest amount of attention and a pitiful amount of dollars. Your typical indy creator (who you can find at any small convention) (imo) would rather sell 50 copies of their ashcan and recieve five bucks a pop than sell double the amount and recieve two dollars a each.

              On top of this the vast amount of ignorance that run rampant through out the scene drives me and I think any other respectable creator crazy. So I think Jaime is pointing out exactly what it is that makes me and probably himself have to respond to these types of message. Jaime however seems to be able to maintain himself better than I can...

              Word

              Alex
              • Naw, I just walked around the room and popped a few valium (sp?) first, Alex.

                ...I guess I'm now wondering where I fit in all that?

                I mean, I MAKE money, yes...but I do this comic, because I had been writing a story for nine years and was dying to tell people about it. I wanted to make something good and wholesome for little kids, like my own kids. Something withOUT swearing and nudity, and gay or sex issues. Something no parent would object to letting their kids read. The second part, was that I was too poor to print anything, and was too pissed myself, that it WAS all built around money...too MUCH of it, for paper and ink (IMHO).

                I know for a fact, you aren't picking on the rare few, Alex, that ARE still making their comics for the sake of the readers...I just wanted you to know, that some may just may make a buck by chance, too. Me, I'm still trying to find ways to get it back down to .75 cents a copy. I will too---just a matter of time. For now, I think a comic book, a complete issue, hand made, good story and quality, available for download, printing AND sharing (try asking MARVEL if you can get REPRINT rights for $4!!), is still a pretty good deal. I make enough to survive and to keep going...so I will. I have a story to tell! (grin)

                Yes, you and I are on the same page as to why we respond to others on posts like this. I just want to create a place where people can be what they want to be, and get the information they need to be successful (whatever form that may be), and tell them the truth:

                The world is run by people who say nothing can be done for the first time. So, kick their skinny butts out of the way and do it anyway. You can do it.

                ...you really, truly can.

                You have a great head on your shoulders, young man.
                (tips hat to Alex)
                --right back at you, bub.

                Jaime
                www.wantedhero.com
                • hmm... I agree all the way Jaime, I didn't want what I said to be taken as I have a problem with anyone making art AND money. I by all means have no problems with an artist making a profit, but, what I do have problems with is artist who care ONLY about making a profit. My point before was that someone who is willing to make more money selling less issues (imo) is not an artist. Any artist worth his time cares more about making a descent profit (enough to keep their head above water) and getting as many people as possible to read their work, the work comes first and the money comes second.

                  You charge a dollar an issue, I think if you charged any less you'd be crazy. Now, if you were charging three dollars an issue, then I'd have a problem with it, but in no way do I have a problem with making comics AND making money.

                  keep doing what you're doing man, creators like you are what make me not give up all hope on the new comic self publishers (I fear for the future without Smith and Sim)

                  Later

                  Alex

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